So far, I’ve only done about a half dozen podcast episodes, yet I’ve already learned that some interviews go better than others. I never know how a guest will act once we hit the record button, so I was delighted to discover that with Detective Joseph Scaramucci, nothing changed. He was the same guy during the interview as he’s been over a beer. The topic of human trafficking is heavy. It can feel like a hopeless situation, but talking about it with Detective Scaramucci, an expert on the subject, left me feeling less hopeless.

Detective Joseph Scaramucci:
Old School Texas Lawman with a Sophisticated Twist
Joseph Scaramucci is an old school Texas lawman with a sophisticated twist. He has a great sense of humor, but he’s also a deep thinker. He’s unusually candid and outspoken — qualities that are common with officers but typically expressed only within the safety of their inner circles. Scaramucci, however, lays it all on the line. In that respect, he reminds me of a honey badger. When I asked why he felt comfortable to speak so freely, he credited his boss McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara for being a good leader who empowers his officers. Without micromanaging or fear, Sheriff McNamara simply lets his deputies do their work.
Throughout our conversation, Detective Scaramucci shared many difficult truths. Here’s one of them: “Law enforcement can’t be victim centered.”
That might sound cold, but it makes sense. Victim advocates, therapists, social workers are victim centered. Law enforcement, Scaramucci explained, “Should be trauma informed but offender focused.”
That doesn’t mean he lacks compassion. (You’ll witness his compassion when the idea of arresting “hookers” arises in the interview.) He knows it’s important to understand how trauma impacts a victim’s thinking and behavior, but he will gladly direct victims to the social workers for in-depth assistance so that he can put on his body armor and take care of business. The man is committed to taking care of business, too. After an hour of recording, we took a short break during which he pulled himself an espresso and, pretending to be a fifteen-year-old girl, finalized a date with a middle aged white guy whom he arrested shortly thereafter.
Throughout the interview, Detective Scaramucci gave shout-outs to those who are doing good work and called out those who aren’t. He praised other law enforcement agencies and nonprofits, like Collective Liberty and Unbound (a global organization with an office in his town of Waco). He also shared his frustration with vigilantes, conspiracy theorists, cops who cling to antiquated thinking, and mom groups on social media who spread ignorance disguised as prevention. He cautioned donors about operations founded and/or run by former members of [insert federal agency here] who go on “rescue missions” to save trafficked children. Too many people believe that someone who has military/law enforcement experience or looks super-duper-tactical automatically knows how to investigate trafficking and extract victims from foreign countries. Sadly, people are falling for the rhetoric of some of these so-called anti-trafficking rescue groups, getting emotionally blackmailed by the #savethechildren movement, and throwing gobs of dollars their way. Without mincing his words, Scaramucci explained that by digging a little deeper into the background of these guys, usually you’ll discover they have no experience with investigating human trafficking. In fact, most have no undercover experience at all.
I’ve only touched on the topics we covered. Despite having to talk by video, the energy was so good that afterward I felt like I needed a nap, kind of like I’d feel after an adrenaline dump. We agreed to meet in person for round two, so he could show us how to spot illicit massage parlors. That eye-opening episode will drop soon, so stay tuned.
The podcast is Slay the Stigma, and it’s hosted by The Counseling Place where I work full-time.
Part one of our human trafficking series will drop Thursday, February 11, 2021.
You can listen to this and other episodes of Slay the Stigma here.
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